Interesting Times: Why Are We Still Driving?

The Hard Fork team is taking a break this week as it prepares for an upcoming live show in San Francisco. While away, they are sharing a recent episode of Interesting Times hosted by Ross Douthat.

In the episode, Douthat speaks with Andrew Miller, writer of the transportation newsletter Changing Lanes and co-author of the book The End of Driving. They explore the possible benefits of driverless cars — from fewer crashes to reclaimed time and attention — and consider what could be lost if people no longer have to be in the driver’s seat.

The episode was posted May 29, 2026, at 7:00 a.m. ET. A full transcript and video are available, and Miller is listed as the guest.

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